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		<title>By: Installing Ubuntu 10.04 Server on a USB Stick &#124; Stochastic Bytes</title>
		<link>http://robert.penz.name/137/no-swap-partition-journaling-filesystem-on-a-ssd/comment-page-1/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>Installing Ubuntu 10.04 Server on a USB Stick &#124; Stochastic Bytes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some people think that using a journaling filesystem will prematurely wear a USB stick, but this guy doesn’t think so. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some people think that using a journaling filesystem will prematurely wear a USB stick, but this guy doesn’t think so. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cane</title>
		<link>http://robert.penz.name/137/no-swap-partition-journaling-filesystem-on-a-ssd/comment-page-1/#comment-806</link>
		<dc:creator>cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 07:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ordered Patriot SSD (http://www.patriotmemory.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=8&amp;catid=21&amp;prodgroupid=141&amp;id=911&amp;type=17) - manufacturer gives 10 years warranty for this disk. Do we really need to worry about data stored on such SSD more than on ordinary HD? I don&#039;t think so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ordered Patriot SSD (<a href="http://www.patriotmemory.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=8&amp;catid=21&amp;prodgroupid=141&amp;id=911&amp;type=17" rel="nofollow">http://www.patriotmemory.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=8&amp;catid=21&amp;prodgroupid=141&amp;id=911&amp;type=17</a>) &#8211; manufacturer gives 10 years warranty for this disk. Do we really need to worry about data stored on such SSD more than on ordinary HD? I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Gedminas</title>
		<link>http://robert.penz.name/137/no-swap-partition-journaling-filesystem-on-a-ssd/comment-page-1/#comment-805</link>
		<dc:creator>Marius Gedminas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 02:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some anecdotic data: the 16 GB SSD in my Asus EeePC 900 died in under a year, with read errors in the spot that used to contain the ext3 journal.

I suspect poor write leveling and decided to go with ext2 in the replacement drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some anecdotic data: the 16 GB SSD in my Asus EeePC 900 died in under a year, with read errors in the spot that used to contain the ext3 journal.</p>
<p>I suspect poor write leveling and decided to go with ext2 in the replacement drive.</p>
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		<title>By: SSD recommendations? - Hardware Canucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>SSD recommendations? - Hardware Canucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] boring or familiar, just complex. I&#039;m researching it myself. This was my jump-off point: No SWAP Partition, Journaling Filesystems, &#8230; on a SSD? &#124; Robert Penz Blog  Still reading...    __________________  &quot;On a clear drive, you can seek forever.&quot; (HP-UX [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] boring or familiar, just complex. I&#39;m researching it myself. This was my jump-off point: No SWAP Partition, Journaling Filesystems, &#8230; on a SSD? | Robert Penz Blog  Still reading&#8230;    __________________  &quot;On a clear drive, you can seek forever.&quot; (HP-UX [...]</p>
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		<title>By: [SSD] partition alignment during 11.2 install - openSUSE Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>[SSD] partition alignment during 11.2 install - openSUSE Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I will upgrade to OS 11.3) and I will set kernel swappiness to zero.  According to this blog post:  No SWAP Partition, Journaling Filesystems, &#8230; on a SSD? &#124; Robert Penz Blog  it should be fine. Either way I don&#039;t intend to use the SSD for longer than 5/6 years and all my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I will upgrade to OS 11.3) and I will set kernel swappiness to zero.  According to this blog post:  No SWAP Partition, Journaling Filesystems, &#8230; on a SSD? | Robert Penz Blog  it should be fine. Either way I don&#39;t intend to use the SSD for longer than 5/6 years and all my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Partitioning 2 HD - openSUSE Forums</title>
		<link>http://robert.penz.name/137/no-swap-partition-journaling-filesystem-on-a-ssd/comment-page-1/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Partitioning 2 HD - openSUSE Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Re: Partitioning 2 HD      Are these remarks still relevant for ssd&#039;s? I don&#039;t know what kind of ssd the author has, but I&#039;ve seen calculations that ssd&#039;s can last 27 years under normal usage. Let&#039;s say that you put a swap partition on it and it might be reduced to 7 years. This is still more than long enough for any home user.  If you add trim support and reduce kernel swappiness, these number should even increase.  Here is one article that I read about the subject:  No SWAP Partition, Journaling Filesystems, &#8230; on a SSD? &#124; Robert Penz Blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Re: Partitioning 2 HD      Are these remarks still relevant for ssd&#39;s? I don&#39;t know what kind of ssd the author has, but I&#39;ve seen calculations that ssd&#39;s can last 27 years under normal usage. Let&#39;s say that you put a swap partition on it and it might be reduced to 7 years. This is still more than long enough for any home user.  If you add trim support and reduce kernel swappiness, these number should even increase.  Here is one article that I read about the subject:  No SWAP Partition, Journaling Filesystems, &#8230; on a SSD? | Robert Penz Blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using a EeePC 901 for over a year now - no problem with the SSD with ext3 and swap sofar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using a EeePC 901 for over a year now &#8211; no problem with the SSD with ext3 and swap sofar.</p>
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		<title>By: adlerweb</title>
		<link>http://robert.penz.name/137/no-swap-partition-journaling-filesystem-on-a-ssd/comment-page-1/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>adlerweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please note that this is only if you use &quot;real&quot; SSDs. Many cheap &quot;SSDs&quot; are technically just SD-Cards with an IDE/SATA-Interface - i broke 3 Cards of different brands (8GB/16GB) in a Year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please note that this is only if you use &#8220;real&#8221; SSDs. Many cheap &#8220;SSDs&#8221; are technically just SD-Cards with an IDE/SATA-Interface &#8211; i broke 3 Cards of different brands (8GB/16GB) in a Year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: konrad.c</title>
		<link>http://robert.penz.name/137/no-swap-partition-journaling-filesystem-on-a-ssd/comment-page-1/#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator>konrad.c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he means writing the same 4k block 100,000 times with a speed of 50MB/s takes 7.8 seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he means writing the same 4k block 100,000 times with a speed of 50MB/s takes 7.8 seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: papischu</title>
		<link>http://robert.penz.name/137/no-swap-partition-journaling-filesystem-on-a-ssd/comment-page-1/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>papischu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ssdnub wrote:

&gt; Now lets assume worse conditions:
&gt;
&gt; 50 MB/s writes
&gt; 4 KB block size
&gt; 100,000 write cycles
&gt;
&gt; Worst possible scenario:
&gt;
&gt; 50 MB/s writes / 4 KB/block-write = 12,800 block-writes per second
&gt; 100,000 writes life cycle / 12,800 writes per second = 7.8 SECONDS before failure

You assume that each write of a block takes one life cycle of all cells -&gt; after writing ~400MB the SSD fails ?
This calculation can be silently ignored...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ssdnub wrote:</p>
<p>&gt; Now lets assume worse conditions:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; 50 MB/s writes<br />
&gt; 4 KB block size<br />
&gt; 100,000 write cycles<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Worst possible scenario:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; 50 MB/s writes / 4 KB/block-write = 12,800 block-writes per second<br />
&gt; 100,000 writes life cycle / 12,800 writes per second = 7.8 SECONDS before failure</p>
<p>You assume that each write of a block takes one life cycle of all cells -&gt; after writing ~400MB the SSD fails ?<br />
This calculation can be silently ignored&#8230;</p>
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